Contracts

[Liar Game]

Contracts are special methods by which two or more players come to an agreement that is binding and enforced by the LGT. Each game may have different rules detailing how contracts can or cannot be used.

Every signing player uses up one contract each. In order to sign a contract, every signing player must PM the same dealer (players should always use their round officer if possible) a copy of the contract. Those PMs must be EXACTLY the same. If ANY difference exists among the PM's, the contract will be nullified. The contract is valid ONLY when the dealer announces so by PM.

A contract won't be made valid if any of the conditions in the contract cannot be supervised by the dealers (ex: a contract cannot say something like "We will never speak to Player X about this contract"). Thus, if it can be supervised by the dealers, contracts can contain whatever you desire, as long as it's possible and does not go against the tournament/game rules.

Also, a contract must state the initial set of signatories. If everyone in this initial set does not PM the dealer with the contract, it will be dismissed.

A signed contract remains valid BY DEFAULT until the start of the following game. A contract can include a customized expire date (I.E "This contract will be valid for 24 hours"), but the contract will automatically expire at the start of the following game if it hasn't done so (therefore, no contracts that last until the end of the Tournament).

By default, breaking a contract means the disqualification of the player at fault. However, the contract-breaking penalty can be customized if it's written on the contract (ex: if anyone breaks the contract, he/she will give all of his/her money to the LGT).

Extra players may be added to a contract, as long as the contract can be expanded to contain extra signatories, and all current signatories agree.

Contracts will NOT carry over into the next round if you don't use them.



If you have any questions about contracts (as this can be a tad complex), please post them below.

[Fukuda Atsuhiko]

I have a question. Can we at least fight a disqualification by explaining our actions in the confessionals and you can, from there, get a better glimpse at what we were thinking and why it would be reasonable to not disqualify us?

Also, can we ask questions in our confessionals with a dealer responding a yes or no, in case we feel our question will be advantageous to other players as well?

[Liar Game]

No. Breaking a contract is 100% illegal and you will be disqualified no matter what.

However, if there are loopholes within the contract that you exploit, then it will not disqualify you. Feel free to discuss a loophole with a Dealer if you are unsure if it risks disqualification.


As for questions. You may ask questions in your confessional and we will respond. It may actually be better for us as well: if you ask 1 Dealer in PM it's possible you won't get an answer faster than if you posted it in your confessional, because then any of us can see it and respond.

*scratches Dealer mask where beard should be* This is actually a really effective idea we never thought of. We just may implement that.

[Fukuda Atsuhiko]

Jul 7, 2011 9:43:22 GMT Liar Game said:

1) Let's say, for example, a contract costed condition X, that both players didn't have yet, but with the contract, would obtain definitely. Would the contract be unattainable until the conditions were fulfilled or would it be up for grabs regardless because the condition could be fulfilled during the contract's time?

For example, contract costs 100 million yen for each party involved. If neither player had 100 million yen, but could eek it out after the contract was fulfilled, would it be a gentlemen's agreement till the condition was fulfilled or would the contract be binding as soon as the dealer replied?

I'll just stop this question here. If you cannot afford the condition, then you cannot sign a contract. You will need to find the resources to do so, or simply risk a strategy without a contract.




A contract that includes person Y doing something must be signed by person Y, no matter who else signs it.

Only if a contract includes person Y as an object to do something to (for example, X is contractually obligated in a game to vote against Y, which does not need Y's consent), then it does not need Y's signature.




If a contract is invalid because it breaks the LGT contract rules, it will never be validated by the LGT.

3) Will the dealer PM the persons involved in said contract with "This contract is valid", or will he label people who have signed the contracts?

You will only receive a "This contract is valid" PM. But that being said...

According to the rules: "Also, a contract must state the initial set of signatories. If everyone in this initial set does not PM the dealer with the contract, it will be dismissed."

Therefore, if you receive the confirmation PM, you're also getting confirmation that all players signed the contract.



These answers are private, but if more people end up asking us these same questions, we will have to answer them publicly.

Thought I might post these up, since these questions only solidify that the only way to break a contract was through finding a loophole that the other player failed to seal.

[Yamada Toshiko]

Loopholes, ahaha, my specialty ^_^

[Akamatsu Yutaka]

Are we allotted a set number of contracts during the game?

[Barbaro]

Jul 8, 2011 15:12:17 GMT Akamatsu Yutaka said:

Are we allotted a set number of contracts during the game?

The availability conditions of contracts will depend on the game itself. There will always be a section in the rules where we'll address them.

[Aitou Kaichi]

Since everything in the contract must be confirmable by the dealers, can we use the dealers as a middle point for PMs? Obviously, "Player X will PM Player Y wish such and such" is not confirmable by the dealers, but "Player X will PM Dealer A with such and such, who will forward this to Player Y" is. I believe that's how they handled such situations in LGT1.

[Barbaro]

Yes, we can be middle men.

[Aitou Kaichi]

If Player X and Player Y are not in a contract, and Player X asks a dealer to PM Player Y a set of information, will the dealer do so?

Please assume that Player X is capable of contacting Player Y himself, and that both players are in the same group.

[Barbaro]

Yes we will. However, we will not switch real information with fake information for you.

[Fukuda Atsuhiko]

Jul 24, 2011 2:16:27 GMT Barbaro said:

Yes we will. However, we will not switch real information with fake information for you.

Wait, would Person X have to know the information he was sending was fake for you to withhold it?

[Barbaro]

Jul 28, 2011 23:56:01 GMT Fukuda Atsuhiko said:

Jul 24, 2011 2:16:27 GMT Barbaro said:

Yes we will. However, we will not switch real information with fake information for you.

Wait, would Person X have to know the information he was sending was fake for you to withhold it?

First, we have no way of determining what you do or do not know.

But we will not SWITCH real game information that comes from us Dealers with your petty lies. If you want to SEND your own petty lies THROUGH US, then we'll do that.

[Barbaro]

ADDENDUM:

Dealers will never confirm a contract in any way, shape, or form to players outside of its signatories. If you wish to know the status of a contract, you must be a signatory to that contract.