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Post by Barbaro on Jan 23, 2012 9:31:43 GMT
New chapter is up.
And apparently, if someone bids on your Lot in the Change Sessions, you get the coins. I wonder if that would've changed the strategies in the simulation.
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Post by Aitou Kaichi on Jan 23, 2012 10:19:50 GMT
A tad.
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Post by Watsuki Shichiro on Jan 23, 2012 14:56:11 GMT
Yeah, I'd say that would have changed strategies... People could have worked with others to gain money even while losing. It wouldn't be completely unheard of for a pig to end up with more money than others in that case. And we would have seen a few more lots. Of course, that brings up a question: why would the manga LGT do this? If they're trying to make this seemingly profitable game hold a money trap, where is it? If it's simply in the beginning, then players can work around that to make 199M or so extra per person. And then if they make only one player PIG (with 0 cards, may I add), that player still has 49M profit plus whatever he won from the change sessions. Assuming RRs work to "save" someone like what Nao's been doing, this is a simple and obvious way to get rid of someone's debt while getting them out of the LGT. And no one would have to enter any more debt. So, why in the world was the game set up this way? It makes little sense as far as I can see... Any clues as to why it is how it is?
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Post by Aitou Kaichi on Jan 23, 2012 21:07:45 GMT
Well, this is the only incentive so far to actually discard cards, besides "I wanna help you out".
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Post by Ishida Katsuo on Jan 23, 2012 21:11:49 GMT
hopefully this is a long-term payoff, the next game may have huge bonuses for risking large amounts of yen, which players wouldnt be able to do without a game like bid poker.
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Post by Watsuki Shichiro on Jan 23, 2012 22:21:51 GMT
Well, this is the only incentive so far to actually discard cards, besides "I wanna help you out". Well even in that case, they could have made it so that not all of the coins went to the player? They could only give half rounded down or even say that 1/4 is kept by the LGT? I'm wondering not why they give money back but why they give ALL the money back. hopefully this is a long-term payoff, the next game may have huge bonuses for risking large amounts of yen, which players wouldnt be able to do without a game like bid poker. This is an interesting point. However, this game still doesn't sound like the LGT, especially with it being a RR. Admittedly, they normally give some way for Nao to "save" someone, but not by this big of a scale. This seems like it's simply an "everyone profits" sort of game. Maybe it's because players got a lot of debt in the previous game?
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Post by Aitou Kaichi on Jan 24, 2012 0:10:30 GMT
The only game to date to offer more than 100M debt to a player is R3. Pandemic and Musical chairs only took 100M from each player combined. (Except Akiyama/Nao alliance and Gaya Alliance)
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Post by Barbaro on Jan 24, 2012 2:28:51 GMT
The LGT profits only from the opening catalogue. I don't think this is like the Generals RR where every game has yen going to the LGT. Instead, I'm seeing this as a mixture of that and Downsizing, where players could theoretically monopolize the cards, or buy worthless cards that eventually gain more value later on and profit from that.
If a player can figure out a system to do something like this using only those 300 coins at the Opening Catalogue, the player can theoretically take everyone's coins by selling those cards back.
If Nao actually managed to convince everyone to pay 1 coin for each lot (which let's face it, seems like a good idea on face value)... the player who gets Lot A can get it for 1 coin, then that same player can win Lot B for 2 coins. Then suddenly that player has Lots A and B as their opening hands, at which point it becomes a bidding war. Meanwhile, opponents will have far fewer coins in play and less cards in their hands while this player has way more cards and way more coins, and can then sell those cards back at egregiously high prices.
We added the special non-canon rule in Bid Poker that you can only get one hand from the Opening Catalogue because we wanted everyone to play the game without being a Pig from the start.
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Post by Aitou Kaichi on Jan 24, 2012 3:19:32 GMT
I liked the rule you originally had saying you could only participate in the bidding in the change sessions if you discarded. Pity you ditched it.
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Post by Sagaro on Jan 24, 2012 3:31:33 GMT
The part where players get money from their auctioning of cards makes some sense in the liar game framework. I was very surprised to see the game presented as a "here's a ton of money with a big cushion, try not to overspend. k go" format.... and this has been debunked. I suspect this game's going to be largely about damage limitation. The points spread says the loser gets a -150M penalty on elimination, and the winner gets 100M profit PER loser. Although the game says only the person in last is removed from the contest, truth is there's going to be any number of pigs, and pigs are equal last. If there are five pigs, the winner walzes off with half a billion. It's unlikely, but it is possible. Nao would likely not want that money to go anywhere untoward: zero-sum layout means she'd want it pumped back in to save the losers. So it's going to be interesting to see how she goes about exercising this will. Especially as some players may seek to drop out, meaning they'd want to sell their cards and be pigged for a competitive price. They won't really care who buys them out, so long as the investor is sufficiently generous. I also mentioned to Barbaro about a couple of further suspicions I have about the game proper, but I'm going to hold my tongue on those.
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Post by Sagaro on Jan 24, 2012 18:52:21 GMT
Also, I'd love to find out what happened in Yokoya/Fukunaga's set. They can't have forgotten about them, especially not with that adam-esque "i know what the lgt will do" thing dropped in, like.
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Post by Ishida Katsuo on Jan 26, 2012 16:33:59 GMT
id imagine where not going to see a play-by-play there, after nao's game is done it will probs cut across with everyone bowing down to yokoya or maybe it wont cross at all and we'll see yokoya with heaps of player-slaves in the next round
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Post by Sagaro on Jan 26, 2012 20:27:49 GMT
Yeah, that's probably true, though I can't say I wouldn't be disappointed if that were it.
Still want to know what happened in Fukunaga's Pandemic Game, but i know it's never going to happen
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Post by Ishida Katsuo on Jan 27, 2012 7:33:01 GMT
never know, may release unseen games like that after the series is finished, different pov's etc
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Post by Barbaro on Jan 28, 2012 22:44:48 GMT
Well we did get the other side of Contraband. So it's not impossible. Especially if it's been set up.
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