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Post by Barbaro on May 9, 2012 1:46:10 GMT
With the tournament over, discuss the nasty things you did to get things done!
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Post by Aitou Kaichi on May 9, 2012 3:33:31 GMT
Kimura thinks that this kind of thing would take too much effort. So, I'll dump some of mine here for a starting point. R1: Opening Ceremony: Kaitani asked me to help out his friend, Makoto. Takeshi was a friend from LGT1 days. I was certain Kaitani was Nemesissy from LGT1, although he denied it. (For the record, I was definitely certain he was from LGT1, and his friends seemed to go to the same uni.) First viewer/weighing: First off, the rules were set up to encourage a risk vs reward as the first choice in the game. The larger the difference between the numbers you entered where, the more less susceptible you were to screwing up if you got correct info. But this advantage also got carried to the next person. Furthermore, if you put in 99/1 and some bastard managed to trick the person next in the list to drop his 99, then that bastard would also get that 99. Kinda handy. But I explained to everyone how awesome it was that you would be less susceptible to screwups if you put in 99/1. To the best of my knowledge, amongst all 3 games, there were 3 people who didn't do this, excluding inactives. Ichii and Naito went the complete opposite direction, putting in 51/49, and I believe someone put in 98/2, but I can't remember who. Considering I did this to make sure my team got 99/1/-1/-99, it kinda failed, but I got that, so it wasn't the end of the world. Also, because I was giving useful advice, I got allies in future games. For example, Ikeneshi Sada. Also, I let most people know that the game was 3v3, because it kinda was. Naturally, our group became 2v2v2, but more on that later. Ichii threw us a pm saying that he, naito and yusuke had allied, and takeshi was saying she didn't want to ally with makoto and me coz she wanted to ally with yusuke. Of the two, i figured ichii was more likely to be lying. But then the first viewer came in and, tada, yusuke was working with ichii and naito. We got Takeshi as viewer by posting first, so it kinda worked out. Ichii was the other one. (Also, Ichii was telling our team to betray each other, so I started not liking him.) Obviously, at this point, Takeshi had no choice but to work with us, or that's what we told her. We got info from her. All was good. Or so we thought... Second viewer/weighing: Naito forgot to submit weighings, and combined with him being viewer in first round, he had lost two chances to get info. So that made it highly likely he was gonna lose. I was viewer and (due to tiebreakers and Barbaro being a twat), so were Ichii and Naito. Makoto told me he submitted the same info twice, and Takeshi and I gave different results. I went and had a word with Takeshi, who claimed it was Yusuke's idea, so I now knew what was going on there. (Takeshi and Yusuke got on both teams and wanted to screw both sides over, while reaping the profits themselves.) More on this later. Kimura and Kaitani pointed out to me that you could weigh two envelopes at a time, and, Kaitaini figured out some retarded foolproof system that would screw up in their faces if I hadn't pointed out that it was flawed. But, since my info was only being given to Ichii and Naito, I saw an opening. This little trick wasn't spelt out explicitly, and I was certain that they weren't gonna see it. Also, I knew I had a 99/1/-1/-99 split, and so I gave A+B vs C+D. There was a 1 in 3 chance that I would get 99+-99 and 1+-1. In that case, Ichii and Naito would see "Aitou's envelops are equal", and be highly confused. So I emailed them with "Confused?" to see their results. Turns out that they weren't equal, coz the response that they gave didn't give me much. I also found out around this point that Makoto was betraying me. Although his style was retarded. I found a pm he sent to naito on ichii's facebook, which can be found in the next post. Third viewer/weighing: With the betrayal in mind, I now had to figure out how to handle it. I arranged with Takeshi and Yusuke to become viewer again, and we arranged a contract with Makoto, Takeshi and Yusuke such that Makoto would lose, but we'd re-imburse him, and the rest of us would win. Ichii was still a potential problem (remember, Naito hadn't weighed twice at this point), but as I found out later, not so much. Unfortunately, due to screw-ups, we withdrew the contract before it went through. And then Makoto dropped out coz he went for an 11-day cruise. He was replaced by AdamKyoko. I didn't know it was Adam quite yet, but meh. During this round, I realized a way to win. I approached Ichii with a contract. The contract went as follows: At this point, Kimura was trying to negotiate terms for a contract with Yusuke and Takeshi, but out of the guy who tried to organize the betrayal in first round, or the ones who at least tried to con everyone equally, i decided to help Takeshi and Yusuke out, and therefore screw over Ichii and Naito. Ichii successfully realized that something was up, considering the terms were pretty freaking good for him. I explained that I didn't see much hope for my chances, but I wanted to at least walk out debt-free. Better than losing with debt, right? But he decided to scrap that contract and write a new one. For those who haven't realized yet, I had put a loophole in there, and he didn't remove the loophole in his version. I also got the chance to update the loophole, reinforcing it to make sure he couldn't take advantage of it. New contract said that I sent my info to Ichii and Naito, Ichii sent his info and naito's info to me, and that if naito lost, i gave him all my moniez. Loophole 1: It said I gave them my info. It didn't say I couldn't give him anything else. So, I gave them a modified copy of my info, with Naito's details switched. And, at the end of the game, I gave him the real info. Also, because Ichii didn't have direct access to Naito's info, I put in a line saying that if Ichii gave me false info, he would be breaching contract, regardless of what Naito says. (Got away with it too.  ) Loophole 2: If naito lost, I had to give him all the money I had. If I somehow had 0 yen, then I wouldn't have had to give him anything. (I was nice and gave him 1000 yen). I just needed to give it all away first. (And I didn't know that money would be relevant in a game at any point. I figured I'd just need to make sure I didn't lose revival rounds, right?) So yeah. A plan. As long as it stuck, I won hardcore. There was also a voting order to ensure that we got viewer enough. Takeshi and I got viewer positions. I gave info to Ichii, Takeshi and Naito. Changing Naito's info, of course. I got my info from Ichii regarding r1 and r2. Naito's was the heavist of the lot, so I requested it. At this point, I was now sure of my 99m, and had naito's 99m. Sounds like an awesome deal. In the meantime, I told Kyoko that, if everyone had given 99/1 (which I was confident on at that point), then Makoto had already determined his positives, and gave her that info. Not liked it mattered to me. Final round/viewing: Ichii kept talking to me, and I was so worried about slipping up. He also wanted to get a shot at viewer, so we made arrangements, but Kyoko voted for me instead. Takeshi and Yusuke voted for me as well, so I got through, as well as Naito. So, for the entire game, Naito was getting info from me. Sweet. He got his heavy positive again, which seemed weird, and indicated to me that Ichii and Naito were waying weird (back in the first part, I also gave people a weighing system that was guaranteed to get people their 99 or equivalent thereof, and avoid their -99, note that I didn't give it to Ichii and Naito directly, but I gave it out enough that I was sure it would have leaked.) Discarding phase. Ichii approached me with a weird situation. He hadn't weighed properly! He knew his super-positive, and he had a good inkling what his super-negative would be. But the other two, he wasn't quite sure on. I quickly figured it out, because one of his envelopes had been the heaviest in a round. But I glossed over that point and said that it was statistically more likely to be the other one. He walked out with +50M as a result. I submitted what ended up being 99 and -1. I then proceeded to discard the -1 for Naito's 99. Takeshi had hoped to lose, coz the potential profit of the revival round sounded awesome. She figured a 98M would do it, based on what I said back at the beginning of the round, but alas, it won the game for her. Third place. Yusuke opened up his 100M. Makoto's info was wrong, so Kyoko opened up -50M. Naito apparently abstained, defeating the point of a lot of my work. But even if he hadn't, he would have gottend -50M at best. As far as I know, only one other player walked out with two 99M envelopes: Fujimoto Jun. But his group did slighly better on average, so the zero-summing worked to make me the richest player at that point. I then proceeded to give the money to Takeshi, Makoto and Kyoko, leaving myself with 1000 yen. I then gave that 1000 yen to Naito as per my contract with Ichii ;D. And then, in r3, I found out something highly interesting... Kimura Kuwabara had talked Makoto into making that retarded plan (see next post), and talked Takeshi and Yusuke into their little scheme. 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Post by Aitou Kaichi on May 9, 2012 3:34:59 GMT
This was the PM that Makoto sent to Naito, who forwarded it to Ichii. Ichii put it up on his facebook, and I managed to stalk him and find it. He tagged some other people that he was trying to get as substitutes, but they never did to the best of my knowledge.
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Post by Aitou Kaichi on May 9, 2012 3:37:05 GMT
Also, all the people that Ichii tried to recruit against me, now you know why. I'll do later rounds later. |
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Post by Kuwabara Kimura on May 9, 2012 5:16:08 GMT
Reveal your secrets, huh… well, I have quite a few. I’ll follow AItou’s example and won’t make just one post or else it would be a tl;dr walltext. First, the obvious “secret”. For those who still don’t know, I’m Forli from the first tournament.
I joined this tournament anonymously for two reasons. The first was because I didn’t want to take advantage of that position. The second was because instead I could pretend to be someone I wasn’t. I considered that my current reputation wasn’t the profile I wanted to have at LGT2, so I created an avatar named Kevin. Unlike me, he was a really chill and awkward dude who just wanted to have fun with the games. He used a relaxed way of typing and played a sort of Nao style. Or at least, that was what I allowed everyone to see.
From day one, I considered that Aitou would be the biggest threat out there. He was capable himself AND knew me, Forli, quite well, so he had a lot of chances of figuring me out.
Aitou and I had different approaches to the tournament. This can be appreciated by the way we used our dealer’s position. Aitou adopted a high profile full force aggressive play, while I decided to use low profile sneaky passive tactics.
From my understanding, the best player will always be the one that manages to have more aces up his sleeve. And boy, I’ve always had a few. My identity conceal was the first. It was of great help at round 1 and revival round 1. I could do some things as Kuwabara Kimura and some others as Forli. Double the information, double the influence. And, in a much general overview of the tournament, few players would expect a heartless bitchmove like the ones I don’t mind doing from a guy like Kev. This was amazingly handy at Revival Round 3, possibly my greatest move.
Of course, hiding my identity like this had a lot of risks involved. If I ever was discovered, it could be a heavy hit on my reputation and I would lose a lot of trust from my allies. I had to make a consistent typing style, consistent expressions and reactions. I had to pretend not knowing shit about LGT1 (or rather, limit my knowledge to what a regular new player would learn by lurking). I also had to watch not to slip and say something that only Forli knew as Kev or something only Kev knew as Forli. I had to carefully avoid contradicting my own personal story and, the hardest of all, I had to hide the fact that english is not my main language. I improved my english quite a lot to accomplish this. I know my act was not perfect, but it seems that it was good enough to fool everyone.
My identity was successfully hidden until the end of round 2, where someone found out because of a Dealer mistake. I’ll get to that later. After that, no one else found out (and to be fair, no one ever found out on their own).
My second ace were my close allies. As most of you know, Suzuki Usagi is my girlfriend IRL and Wada Mitsuru is my bromance. Suzuki and Wada had a public alliance with each other, while they maintained a hidden alliance with me. This worked until the end of round 3.
Ito Takeshi and Yusuke Shinko were my third ace. For reasons I won’t disclose even now, I knew they were 100% trustworthy. Takeshi turned out to be a weak ace, mostly because of her inactivity, but Yusuke was strong. At this point, my plan regarding Yusuke was to make him get close to Aitou. Really close. I knew that eventually the time would come for Aitou and I to fully declare war on each other... and I wanted Yusuke by Aitou’s side when that happened.
Aitou himself (and my knowledge of him) was my fourth ace. From the start, I knew that if I wanted to succeed, I needed him by my side. I tried my best to make him acknowledge Kevin as a valuable ally and I think I pretty much managed to do it. He was of great help at the first 3 rounds and revival rounds. And of course, I spent a lot of time studying his ways. I turned his round 1 game into a warzone to study his playstyle and reactions to extreme circumstances. It turned out to be very useful in the end.
It’s getting late for me. I’ll write more tomorrow. Probably round 1, revival round 1 and round 2. I won’t be as specific as Aitou was, but I’ll still tell you guys some interesting stuff. Or at least I hope you find it interesting.
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Post by Aitou Kaichi on May 9, 2012 7:19:29 GMT
Reveal your secrets, huh… well, I have quite a few. I’ll follow AItou’s example and won’t make just one post or else it would be a tl;dr walltext. Instead, we ended up with things that weren't giant walls of text. I joined this tournament anonymously for two reasons. The first was because I didn’t want to take advantage of that position. The second was because instead I could pretend to be someone I wasn’t. I considered that my current reputation wasn’t the profile I wanted to have at LGT2, so I created an avatar named Kevin. Unlike me, he was a really chill and awkward dude who just wanted to have fun with the games. He used a relaxed way of typing and played a sort of Nao style. Or at least, that was what I allowed everyone to see. From day one, I considered that Aitou would be the biggest threat out there. He was capable himself AND knew me, Forli, quite well, so he had a lot of chances of figuring me out. You did hide yourself pretty well. For the record, I didn't intend to take advantage of my position. And the situations when my position came up, it appeared to be more of a fame thing than an ally thing. Takeshi was the only real exception, and that didn't quite work, as you say later. Aitou and I had different approaches to the tournament. This can be appreciated by the way we used our dealer’s position. Aitou adopted a high profile full force aggressive play, while I decided to use low profile sneaky passive tactics. I did so because I saw what happened in LGT1. Nobodies got eliminated without anyone realizing. The biggest indication of this happening was at the end of the revival round, when nick got a lot of people to help out monday, using her fame to her advantage. Sneaky players ended up being dragged out of the woodwork kicking and screaming if they wanted to survive. From my understanding, the best player will always be the one that manages to have more aces up his sleeve. And boy, I’ve always had a few. My identity conceal was the first. It was of great help at round 1 and revival round 1. I could do some things as Kuwabara Kimura and some others as Forli. Double the information, double the influence. And, in a much general overview of the tournament, few players would expect a heartless bitchmove like the ones I don’t mind doing from a guy like Kev. This was amazingly handy at Revival Round 3, possibly my greatest move. Of course, hiding my identity like this had a lot of risks involved. If I ever was discovered, it could be a heavy hit on my reputation and I would lose a lot of trust from my allies. I had to make a consistent typing style, consistent expressions and reactions. I had to pretend not knowing shit about LGT1 (or rather, limit my knowledge to what a regular new player would learn by lurking). I also had to watch not to slip and say something that only Forli knew as Kev or something only Kev knew as Forli. I had to carefully avoid contradicting my own personal story and, the hardest of all, I had to hide the fact that english is not my main language. I improved my english quite a lot to accomplish this. I know my act was not perfect, but it seems that it was good enough to fool everyone. My identity was successfully hidden until the end of round 2, where someone found out because of a Dealer mistake. I’ll get to that later. After that, no one else found out (and to be fair, no one ever found out on their own). Just for the record, that someone was me. I'll get to this after Kimura posts his round 1 stuff. I think my round 2 stuff will be shorter than my round 1 stuff. My second ace were my close allies. As most of you know, Suzuki Usagi is my girlfriend IRL and Wada Mitsuru is my bromance. Suzuki and Wada had a public alliance with each other, while they maintained a hidden alliance with me. This worked until the end of round 3. This was actually one of the points that I had found weird, but I'll cover it later on. Ito Takeshi and Yusuke Shinko were my third ace. For reasons I won’t disclose even now, I knew they were 100% trustworthy. Takeshi turned out to be a weak ace, mostly because of her inactivity, but Yusuke was strong. At this point, my plan regarding Yusuke was to make him get close to Aitou. Really close. I knew that eventually the time would come for Aitou and I to fully declare war on each other... and I wanted Yusuke by Aitou’s side when that happened. Lol. This is the one that never would have worked. Because I knew we would be going to war. I was reluctant to keep any alliance with players that you were on good terms with, such as Kaitani, Ishida (xan), etc... I made one exception (Fujimoto, who was in LGT1 and I figured you could use your position as Forli to gain some weight over him), and that backfired... Aitou himself (and my knowledge of him) was my fourth ace. From the start, I knew that if I wanted to succeed, I needed him by my side. I tried my best to make him acknowledge Kevin as a valuable ally and I think I pretty much managed to do it. He was of great help at the first 3 rounds and revival rounds. And of course, I spent a lot of time studying his ways. I turned his round 1 game into a warzone to study his playstyle and reactions to extreme circumstances. It turned out to be very useful in the end. So yeah. Blame him for my tl;dr above. It’s getting late for me. I’ll write more tomorrow. Probably round 1, revival round 1 and round 2. I won’t be as specific as Aitou was, but I’ll still tell you guys some interesting stuff. Or at least I hope you find it interesting. My round 1 was specific, but mostly because each round had a lot of stuff happening. That game ended up being 2v2v1, with kyoko being a giant unknown that didn't seem too active. Our round 2 and 3 are gonna have massive overlap, and I think you'll end up talking more about all the groups. |
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Post by Wada Mitsuru on May 9, 2012 17:00:18 GMT
The only secret I will share is, that...
...wait for it.
I'm kind of a dick.
Yeah, you didn't expect that, do you?
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Post by Aitou Kaichi on May 9, 2012 22:18:47 GMT
I had been trying to remember why I didn't go to you in R2 on a particular issue. Thanks for reminding me. |
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Post by Kuwabara Kimura on May 9, 2012 23:11:24 GMT
Aitou Kaichi, the man who always has something to say about everything.
Wada, you misspelled "I kinda like dick".
Sada, you will go to heaven, congrats.
Alright, I'll keep on telling the epic tale of a man who hates static electricity.
Round 1
At the first round, my goal was not winning big. I merely wanted to get a nice win and keep my low profile. My true goal, as mentioned before, was to get to know every player’s way of doing things. Out of the six groups, I closely followed three of them: Aitou’s, Usagi’s and mine. I also found out the details for the other three. I think I was the only player to do that on his own. After that I gave the information to my allies, including Aitou, and of course, it went wild from there. Aitou is in excruciating pain if he’s not attention whoring. Not like I cared, though. He would get the high profile needed to work nicely with my sneakiness.
At this round, Aitou figured out why a 99/1 split was the best choice (and made sure that everyfuckingone knew it [attention whore]) and I discovered that you could weigh two envelopes in the same scale. This implied that a third result was possible at the weighings: both envelopes are equal.
At this game, if you want to give false information to an enemy, you face a choice: “Should I lie to him or tell him the truth? What will he think?”. Knowing that a third result was possible made things a lot easier. You could simply tell all of your enemies that their sides of the scales weighed the same. It’s impossible to get a correct read there.
My group
I didn’t pay as much attention to my own group as I should have. Kaitani (Nemesissy from LGT1, as Aitou said) half played me, half almost killed himself with his move.
I liked Kaitani and wanted to be in good terms with him, so I told him about the things I discovered. It backfired, though. He designed a method he thought to be foolproof to get his envelopes right, but it was flawed and depended heavily on luck.
Long story short, he pretended to be alone at the group and formed an alliance with Fukuda (Furer Kip/Solarium King from LGT1) and me. But in reality, another player in my group was his true ally (and IRL friend): Chou Mai. He obviously told the truth to her whenever he had the chance and lied to Fukuda (who was replaced by Aisuke Setsuna or Khione from LGT1). I noticed some oddities in the weighings (mostly regarding the heaviest envelopes of each round) and figured something shady was going on. I confronted Kaitani and he admitted he was working with Chou Mai. It was too late for me to do anything about it, though. It was end of round 4. He claimed he wouldn’t betray me and I believed him. The bad thing was that as it standed, three of us knew where our 100M were (Kaitani, Chou Mai and me). If another player got it right by chance, we would all lose.
And another player actually got it right: Okamoto Keisuke. Thankfully, Kaitani’s method was not perfect as I stated before. He got his 100M right but Chou Mai didn’t. Therefore, we three won. Kaitani won big because he requested Fukuda/Sestuna’s big envelope.
Usagi’s group
This group was weird. Even now I don’t know what happened. Usagi and Wada allied with Kimura Ichiro, a spanish guy. We figured the language would join us together. At the time, we were hoping that he would be an important asset to us. Turns out he was a moron. Probably not a bad guy, just a moron. We told him the safe method to get his 100M right (98M at worst case scenario) but messed up and ended up with a... let me check... -164M debt.
Nevertheless, the Usagi/Wada/Ichiro alliance dominated the game and got pretty much every viewer position. Usagi got her 100M right, Wada got 98M. However, the other three players who didn’t even get a glimpse at the weighings, all got 100M. How did that happen? Beats me.
Luck, maybe. Or maybe Ichiro sold us out, which I find unlikely. The most reasonable explanation I find is Ichiro doing something stupid that concluded with them knowing everything. I’d seriously like an explanation from a Dealer here. I know that Fumio had a lucky guess, but I’m clueless about the other two (Shimizu and Yutaka). One of those two was Kie/Verrazzano from LGT1, by the way. I don’t remember which one.
Anyway, the whole group lost. It was the only revival round Usagi had to play (not counting RR4 which was played by pretty much everyone).
Aitou’s group
Oh boy, was this juicy. You can probably tell by that freaking wall text up there. To make it short, as I’m sure you already have enough with this particular game, I wanted to put Aitou in extreme circunstances and study how he managed to win (yes, I was sure he would win). I told Yusuke to join with Ichii and Daigo. I instructed him to make sure Makoto betrayed Aitou. I told Takeshi to lie to Aitou. All while talking to Aitou both as Kimura and Forli. I knew all about his loopholed contract (and could have told Ichii/Daigo about them) but decided not to or it would be too much for him to handle.
I had a lot of fun here. And it was really funny to see Aitou bragging countless times about how awesome he was and how he survived impossible odds.
All in all, this gave me great insight on Aitou’s playstyle. It was especially useful at round 4, revival round 4 and round 5.
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Post by Aitou Kaichi on May 9, 2012 23:56:03 GMT
I touched on it earlier, but the 99/1 wasn't a perfect situation, since it aided the next person in the line. Which is why I told everyfreakingbody. If you wanted to screw the person next in line, you submitted 51/49. Of course, you were hurting yourself in the process, but meh. Fukuda was actually smart here, he saw it for what it was. But with enough peer pressure, he caved. My reasoning for this is actually kinda stupid... I didn't quite get the way the envelopes were passed around. And my attempts to get the info from Aldaniti weren't aided by the fact that he didn't really know what was going on himself.
Also, as much as it might not be obvious, I wouldn't have been screwed over entirely if Ichii and Naito found out about the loopholes. I was still telling one of them the truth, and I don't know if I told you which one. And even if you did tell them, Naito would still have lost due to inactivity, and even if he had been active, I would have still had a 1 in 3 chance of winning coz of Naito's weird weighing methods. (Probably told to him by Ichii) I wouldn't have gotten the 198M, but I would still have walked out with something awesome.
Also, I still don't think you believe me about r4. But I'll get to that eventually.
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Post by Kuwabara Kimura on May 10, 2012 0:31:30 GMT
Revival round 1
Stockpile was a hard game. The first player that manages to get cans can and will pretty much control the game if he has a trust-worthy co-player. They simply had to take turns in stealing every can and thus not allowing any other player to get cans. Therefore they could pick who wins by simply giving them cans.
I didn’t play the game, but Usagi and Wada did. And they were very, very close to losing.
At the first round, mainly because of a horrible decision (trusting Aitou’s allies to actually be active), Fumio got away with stealing. At that point we figured the game was pretty much over, as he was allied with Yutaka and Shimizu, which were fully playing against Usagi and Wada. Just in case, Wada took an attempt to steal at round 2 and failed. We could have made Usagi steal at round 3, but if failed, that would only mean that her jailings would be up by one. And the first tiebreaker was jailings. We knew that it was very likely that in the end, a lot of people would end up with 0 cans and 0 jailings: the inactives. And yes, there were a lot of them. Therefore, if both Usagi and Wada tried to steal and failed, they would end up with 0 cans and lots of jailings. Yes, they would lose to inactives. Pretty pathetic, huh. Although to be fair, that was a game flaw.
Not having Usagi steal was a good call, because the other players obviously stole half the cans. They were safe if they went to jail because they could still get cans from their allies (or so we thought).
Rounds kept happening. Usagi and Wada were still at 0 cans, Wada having a shitload of jailings. Their last hope was Motou Daisuke (Moonlight from LGT1, Cryselda/Navarre’s brother), who promised to help. When the last round started, Daisuke told Wada and Usagi to fuck off. Yes, he was allied with Shimizu and Yutaka. DRAMA HAPPENED. HUGE MOUTHS YELLING “NOOO!”. NAO ROLLING AROUND ON THE FLOOR.
Wada raged the fuck out, as we considered him lost. I came up with a plan to save Usagi. Yes, a plan was needed to defeat inactives. First tiebreaker was jailings. Second tie-breaker was money. Therefore, Wada, who already had a lot of jailings and couldn’t win the first tie-breaker. So, the money he had was worthless. He sent it all to Usagi so that she would not only be able to win the second tie-breakers and defeat the inactives... she would make a nice profit out of it. He did so and saved Usagi.
But hell, letting my bromance die is totally unfair. Usagi and I did several moves to up the chance of Wada surviving. First move was to obviously make Wada steal 1 can, because that was the only thing requiered to win at that moment. If it worked, good. If it didn’t, next plan.
The next plan was to negotiate with our enemies. Daisuke made a mistake when talking to me: he told me that Fumio wasn’t allied with him. So we went and tried to get a deal with him... but got no answer. From what we had, he logged in once a day and he had just logged off two hours ago or something. So we went with the third plan: threatening Daisuke.
I used everything I had here. I told him we would declare war on their asses. I told him exactly how many people would be against them should they not accept the deal. I made him feel guilty. I offered an amazingly high amount of money for that stage of the game (over 250M!). I told them how many advantages would he get from helping us here. I even got Aitou to try the same as well (although he gave up after a while because he’s useless). I don’t know how much time I spent arguing, but eventually he accepted. He signed a ticket with Wada and gave him 1 can. Oh victory. Sweet victory.
And then, as a joke from destiny, Fumio answered and agreed to sell them some cans. The next day, Daisuke talked to me again and said that he changed his mind, that he no longer wanted to help Wada. It seems that my spell wore off... but it was too late to change it. He tried to cancel the ticket but couldn’t. And with that, we felt free of any debt at him. Funny, huh.
Also, if you think that’s funny, guess what. Wada actually managed to steal a can! Yeah, all four plans worked (saving Usagi, getting cans from Fumio, getting cans from Daisuke and stealing). I couldn’t believe it myself. And as a result, Daisuke, Shimizu and Yukata raged. Usagi got a lot of profit (which was doubled thanks to a dealer mistake!) and a massive amount of trophies (because that game heavily rewarded last minute victories).
And we got something also valuable: another ally. We decided that we loved Fumio and wanted to adopt him.
As for the second Stockpile game, Aitou had more hand in it than me. Although I helped by waving my black letter (the one I actually didn’t have) in front of some people’s face while yelling BE A GOOD GUY OR ELSE. Or something.
Ah, that’s right. The black letter. I figure most of you don’t know that I traded the Black letter that I won at Negotiations (Winner’s game 1) for the Switcheroo Bara Sora won. A fine trade if you ask me, as she never actually got to use it... and I still got the advantage of being able to make threats with it.
As for the Negotiations game itself, I’ll wait until the dealers make that board public. Everything that happened is pretty much posted in the game thread. In short, I came up with a Nao strategy and every player cooperated to make it work. It helped making my “good guy” profile a lot more public.
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Post by Wada Mitsuru on May 10, 2012 0:41:33 GMT
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Post by Wada Mitsuru on May 10, 2012 0:42:26 GMT
That's how much I love Fumio.
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Post by Kuwabara Kimura on May 10, 2012 0:48:32 GMT
Oh, yeah. That was sent from Wada to Fumio after the events of Stockpile. Notice how fat Wada looks there.
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Post by Aitou Kaichi on May 10, 2012 0:53:01 GMT
Stockpile. Coz after a whole heap of games about minimizing the capability of alliances in lgt1, the lgt2 dealers thought that they should make a game that screamed ALLIANCES. Or maybe this was like neutral game from lgt1, where they didn't actually realize the alliance capabilities of it.
Kimura and I had heavy hands in both of these games, but we've decided to talk about one game each. He gets to talk about his girlfriend (which makes me look like a dick, coz all the people I asked to help out in that game went inactive. Not my fault, ok?)
So, the game that I was following. We have AdamKyoko, Ichii, Naito and AdamKiyoshi as one alliance, Chao Mai floating around randomly, Fukuda and Mikami Ren who came up with a really weird plan... and Haruka. And some extras that (and I'm really sorry for this) I can't remember the names of.
So, at the beginning of the game, I think everyone saw that alternating steals would result in noone having any cans. The game had 2 real objectives: If you managed to steal successfully, you and your alliance won. If you didn't, you got sent to prison. If noone stole successfully, then the prison visits determined the losers.
Fukuda and Mikami Ren tried this weird idea of stealing all the cans, every night, guaranteeing that they would get caught, and making it clear that noone else would get any cans. I think they hoped that eventually the other players would give up. But then an argument between the two of them occured, and the plan died really early. I think the dealers were happy for this, since the plan was kinda stupid and the game could now continue.
I'm pretty sure Mikami dropped out at this point and AdamKiyoshi got added in. Ichii was recruiting people to unite in some war against me, and Adam was more than happy to help him out. So, Ichii and Naito formed an alliance with AdamKyoko and AdamKiyoshi. But this still wasn't enough to dominate in this game, because Kiyoshi signed a really weird ticket-thingy.
Specifically, he had stated that he would pm the dealers that he would do something on a given round, and never did so. And then later did it again. So, he had more jail visits than everyone else. So this put Ichii in a weird spot. He needed to win by cans, or get so much money that he could revival ticket Kiyoshi back into existence, and convince Kimura to not black letter him.
So, I offered a meeting between Ichii and Kimura, so that Ichii could transfer money to me, so that I could transfer it to Kimura (players had to play in a game together to get a transfer going, so a direct transfer couldn't happen), and Kimura could wave his black letter around. At this point, Bara Sora and Kimura had switched the switcheroo for the black letter, with the dealers monitoring the trade. At first, Ichii asked Kimura to wave it around a lot, and wasn't ever gonna be able to back up the request with enough money, considering the hit to Kimura's rep that that would create. I said that Ichii probably could get away with maybe 1 or 2 people. He said he'd think about it, but never came up with anything.
I said that if he could threaten people with uncertainty of defeat, he might be able to get away with stealing stuff himself. There were 2 people guaranteed to lose, and 6 people hovering around defeat, and one person in jail. Done properly, he might have been able to convince those 6 people to sit back for a round. As I said, done properly. Yeah... So, Ichii ends up in prison, and the next round, Naito manages to steal enough cans.
At this point, cans start being traded for large copious amounts of cash. For those that remember, Kyoko and Haruka had a giant argument, so Haruka didn't get any cans. Fukuda got no love from Adam or Ichii, and ended up saying he wanted to drop out. And I can't remember what happened for the third person. But yeah. These guys got to choose the winners.
So, naturally, there ends up being so many inactives that the dealers are forced to let them back in.
So yeah. While I had a hand in it, mostly I just watched, and offered some advice to Ichii to see if he might come around. Kimura had more of a hand in his gf's game than I did, considering my allies decided to be twats and go inactive in that game.
So, did Ichii come around? Well, not really. But, he did inform me that Kiyoshi was likely Adam before I even played with him. So that's something, I suppose. I'll take my victories where I can.
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